Hall for 2011? Starts to get interesting.?

Question

With the 2012 class being very interesting (Biggio, Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, Piazza), just wondering how 2011 is going to go.

I'm sure Blyleven and Alomar are in for sure,,and I think that's about it. Voters are now entereing the cusp of the "steriod era" players...
Bagwell, Larry Walker and Juan Gonazalez are all eligible and cant see any of them getting in. Bagwell and Walker might get in the low 20% range..(like McGriff, Raines got their first try)

Palmerio..well we already know how McGwire is treated.

John Franco..an interesting one..The Harold Baines of Relief Pitchers..will get a few votes.

Morris, Larkin, Lee Smith, Edgar Martinez, Raines, McGriff, will all get more votes, but no where close.


Only Alomar and Blyleven (was he better than Morris??)

Answer 1

With the incompetency of the BBWAA in charge and the lack of courage on the part of the Hall of Fame to chastise the writers for their shallow mindedness, I don't see a lot happening in 2011 or 2012.



We all saw the total stupidity of the 2010 vote. Only Andre Dawson was elected when it was clear to everyone except a hand full of pompous sports writers that Bert Blyleven and Roberto Alomar also belonged on that list.



Biggio will make it because of his 3000 plus hits. As for Bonds, Clemens, and Sosa, it's hard to say. Piazza should make it but who knows anymore!



Bags, Walker and Gonzo will not get enough support. Of those three I think Bags will eventually make it.



Palmerio, NEVER!



Franco was very good but not great. Morris will get in. Larkin will make it next year, I hope! Edgar Martinez does not deserve to be in the hall. One dimensional players like DHs are not "complete players". They don't belong in the hall.



Lee, Raines and McGriff will also have their day in Cooperstown but like many of the others, who knows when?

Answer 2

I'm sorry, but there is a fundamental flaw in this question: Biggio, Bonds, Clemens, Sosa and Piazza are not eligible until 2013. 2012 only includes Bernie Williams, Vinny Castilla and Javy Lopez as players of any note.

My predictions:

2011- Alomar, Blyleven, maybe Bagwell

2012-Larkin, Bagwell (if not already elected. Obviously.)

2013-Biggio, Piazza

2014-Greg Maddux, Frank Thomas, POSSIBLY Jack Morris (been going up, bump from last year; then again, Greg Maddux could cancel him out. Electing Jack Morris together with Greg Maddux? Right.)

2015-Randy Johnson, Jeff Kent



2011 Specifically:

Roberto Alomar-85-90% (mostwho punished him will vote for him on second ballot I think.)

Bert Blyleven-80%

Jeff Bagwell-50-80% (Pros-power numbers, no steroids, One Team guy; Cons-short of 500, not good for 1st baseman in steroid era, some could feel he used peds, others could wait for Biggio for some reason)

Jack Morris-55-60%

Barry Larkin-55-65%

Lee Smith-45-50%

Edgar Martinez-35-55% (There could have been quite a few 'No DHs 1st ballot' guys.)

Larry Walker-35-50% (Not an obvious choice; clean; Coors Field and Expo)

Tim Raines-30-35%

Rafael Palmeiro-20-40% (Failed steorid test after actually denying use; but has 500 HR AND 3000 H)

Mark McGwire-20-50% (Steroids admission could help, or could actually hurt; biggest wild card.)

Alan Trammell-20-25%

Fred McGriff-20-30% (1st ballot effect unknown.)

Don Mattingly-~15

John Franco-~15% (Excellent closer, but I really have no idea.)

Dave Parker-~15%

Dale Murphy-10-15%

Juan Gonzalez-<5-30% (Darn good, but steroid taint; not 'great.')

Harold Baines->5%

Kevin Brown-4% (Excellent pitcher, but no big numbers; on Mitchell Report)

Others getting more than 1 or 2 votes, but less than 5%: Benito Santiago, Tino Martinez, John Olerud, BJ Surhoff

Answer 3

I agree with you on Blyleven and Alomar (although I'm not 100% sure Alomar goes in in 2011). Among the guys eligible in '12, Biggio and Piazza will make it into Cooperstown.



I think Lee Smith belongs in the Hall too. 478 saves and one of the most reliable closers ever.



EDIT: To Masternachos below: Doesn't Glavine go in with Maddux? It seems pretty clear that '08 was also his last season pitching in the bigs.

Answer 4

Alomar and Blyleven should make it with room to spare.



Alomar is still disliked by many in the BBWAA but he only needed about 5 or 6 more votes, he should make it.



Blyleven is long overdue.



Biggio, based on his overall record is going to get many votes and might make it.



What is Jack Morris doing in this elite club of players. A lifetime ERA of 3.90 doesn't cut it with me. Those post season heroics don't make up for that high an ERA.



Larkin was a great shortstop. I have him as being the 6th or 7th greatest shortstop of all time. He could flat out hit and won at least 2 Gold Gloves. A great player.



The rest of those players you mention are really not even borderline Hall of Famers, except Franco.



That is my evaluation of your questions about new Hall members.

Answer 5

Alomar, Blyleven, and Larkin as well.



Larkin was one of the best SS during his era, as was Alomar and 2nd base.

Answer 6

no matter what biggio bonds sosa and piazza need to get in first ballot. bonds is the best player to ever play the game

Answer 7

"John Franco..an interesting one..The Harold Baines of Relief Pitchers"



Hehe. I like that. Perfect description. He won't get in. Hall of Good, yes, but not the Hall of Fame.



Alomar, Bly, and Biggio

Answer 8

answer the hall is a joke ..Most these wimpy sports writers never played the game and most cover their own cities and local teams..they dont get to see all the people on the list...Its all about politics

and the race card is played to the full extent...Its watered down some what..Pete Rose belongs in the hall..lets stop the righteousness nonsense like we all lived perfect lives..Pete rose is a nasty selfish person but he has the most hits than anyone today...Lets cut the steroid nonsense out like u all turned your collars around and judge others less ye judge yourselves..You still have to see the ball and hit it..how far dosent matter...these guys are good ...I dont think a dh should even be considered..that's my two cents..

Answer 9

i dont think bly should get in just like hawk. there should be no one inducted except Jim Kaat

Answer 10

They all took steroids so what's the difference?