Question:
Did Babe Ruth have a bigger impact on the game of baseball than Jackie Robinson?
anonymous
2009-06-20 17:54:00 UTC
I think so. I'm not trying to sound racist but I think he did. He was the first legitimate star in baseball and if it werent for him there WOULDNT BE A JACKIE ROBINSON BECAUSE THE LEAGUE WOULD HAVE FOLDED.
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Big T (Thank you Funaki)
2009-06-20 18:37:02 UTC
no and if there was no Ruth then someone else would have been the IT player of their timeDimaggio, Williams, take your pick.
anonymous
2009-06-20 18:13:43 UTC
I think Jackie Robinson had a bigger impact on the game, Babe Ruth was a great player sure but because of Jackie Robinson we were able to watch other great players such as the two guys that beat Babe Ruth as home run kings, Hank Aaron and Barry Bonds. Not to mention a lot of other Hall of Famers. Babe Ruth didn't open the game up to anybody let alone several other races. Both players had a huge impact on the game but take away Babe Ruth and what about baseball would change? Take away Jackie Robinson and you have a completely different game today.
Fozzy
2009-06-20 20:14:24 UTC
I'm just curious where you draw the conclusion that baseball would have somehow ceased to exist by 1947 if babe Ruth had not come along.

Is it because you assume that the general public was so upset over the Black Sox scandal that they would have gone on to something else? And if so, what would that something else have been? Pro football was in its' infancy, (and was looked down upon greatly - the college game was preferred) basketball was not even really playe don the pro level yet, and barely on the college level even, and hockey, well, pretty much the same - not well organized, and very limited exposure. I think people who feel that Babe Ruth was solely responsible for "saving" baseball are simplifying things quite a bit. The efforts to clean up the game in 1920 and in the decade probably had a bigger effect - players were kicked out for gambling, the spit ball was eliminated, etc.

I think that probvably the best way to put it is that Ruth probably changed the way the game is played more than any other player, but that Robinson changed the society of the game greater than any other player ever did. While Ruth changed the game to focus more on the long ball (or at least provide the impetus for baseball to change itself - again - disallowing the spit ball, the use of cleaner baseballs, and the buildong of smaller fields also helped) and, because of his personality, gave baseball some well needed good P.R.

But Robinson did more to change the society of baseball, and really American society as a whole. To dismiss his courage and determination because eventually someone else would have broken the color barrier is sort of like dismissing Neil Armstrong being the first man to set foot on the moon simply because 11 other men did it after he did. or perhaps even sayng that Ruth's accomplishments on the field are not impressive because other players have surpassedhim. Obviously his hitting 714 home runs is not important because Aaron and Ruth would have just done it later anyway. And his 60 home runs in 1927 certainly aren't all that important - Sosa, McGwire and Bonds have all surpassed that total, as has Maris, so it wasn't all that important. And keep in mind that there had actually been attempts to allow black ballplayers in the majors earlier than Robinson. Around 1906, John McGraw attempted to pass off Charlie Grant, a great black player, as a Native American. And in 1943, Bill Veeck attempted to buy the Phillies, but made the mistake of telling commissioner Landis that he planned to load them up with the greatest talent from the N-e-g-r-o Leagues. Landis blocked the move.

And Robinson was not chosen because he was the "best" minority player. While he was very good, there were probably at least a dozen black players that were better than he was. But Robinson was a safer choice because of his temperement. he was college educated (UCLA), a former military officer (Lieutenant), and willing to accept the fact that he could NOT fight back on the field of play.



So give the advantage to Ruth for changing the game on the field, but Robinson for changing the game (as well as society in general) off the field. And to me, the changes that Robinson helped get going were far more important.
I Love Lucy
2009-06-20 18:03:03 UTC
If you think so, what difference does it make what we think. But let me ask you this, do you think that Babe Ruth would have had the balls to accept a roll that JR took and performed so well? Jackie Robinson opened up the doors not only for African American people, but for Latinos, Asians and all others, too. Jackie Robinson's influence went beyond baseball.



And you are wrong when you say that baseball would have folded if it wasn't for the Babe.
anonymous
2009-06-20 18:01:15 UTC
Baseball was around way before ruth and who to say it would have FOLDED ?

Jackie Robinson changed the game and the country !
anonymous
2009-06-20 18:43:05 UTC
"A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives." Jackie Robinson



Jackie Robinson had a great impact on baseball and integration.



Babe Ruth had a great impact on baseball and on hot-dogs and beer vendors.
anonymous
2009-06-20 18:39:04 UTC
whether it was jackie robinson or someone else, integration was going to happen. he was simply the first minority to get in the majors......nothing more.



babe ruth WAS baseball for years. it was ruth through roughly 1917-1928 that made baseball america's pastime. ruth had greater baseball skills. when entire teams hit 20-30 home runs, ruth was hitting 30, 40, 50 and of course 60! plus, he was a pretty good pitcher too.
anonymous
2009-06-21 07:55:20 UTC
I THINK THIS IS A CATCH 22 QUESTION! both had a great impact on baseball! ruth saved the game and made the yankees great! jackie ,changed things in baseball,opened many doors!
frank
2009-06-20 18:22:46 UTC
Babe Ruth. He saved baseball. Jackie was great but integration would have happened sooner or later,
anonymous
2009-06-20 18:20:35 UTC
you cant really compare the two

jakie was the best of the minorities, that's why he was allowed to play with the whites

babe was the best of the whites


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