Will Mike Mussina end up in the Hall of Fame?

Question

If he does indeed retire, do you think he should be in the hall? He does go out winning 100 more games over .500, the other guys are in the hall that have done that. Do you think he should be?

Answer 1

Yes. 270-153 with a 3.68 ERA. 2813 Ks, 785 BBs.

Every pitcher with 200 or more wins with a a win-loss margin of 100 or more wins than loses are already in the hall. As you've stated Moose is 117 games over .500 so I have to believe he will eventually make it.

Answer 2

Will he make the HOF?



No, and there are plenty of guys who were/are 100 wins over .500 who won't make the HOF either.



Should Mike Mussina be in the HOF?



Not at all. And here's why:



0 Cy Youngs

0 perfect games

0 no-hitters

0 World Series Titles

0 MVPs



Nothing.





He played 18 years, 10 with Baltimore and 8 with New York. Ironically, the New York Yankees started out as the Baltimore Orioles.



During his time with the Birds:



Five-time all-star

(on a team that was an o.k. team except for '91 and 2000, the first and last years he was with them)

MVP voting twice

Cy Young voting 7 of 10 years

Lowest Team ERA 8 of 10 years

Average an 18% share of his team's wins



During his time with the Yanks:



Never made the all-stars

MVP and Cy young voting only one year (2008)

Lowest Team ERA 4 of 8 years

Only one year had 18% share of his team's wins (in 2008)





The biggest thing I noticed was the fact that his completed games dropped off significantly during his time with the Yankees as did quality starts, but his innings per year didn't. He started more games, but won less. He won more than 50% of the games he started in Baltimore, but less than 50% in New York. Even with a better team, better pitching staff, and a much better General Manager, Mussina did not fair as well as he did with the Orioles.



Mussina averaged a win less per year with the Orioles, but almost a 3% share of wins more. The Yanks averaged 32 games above .500 when Moose played with them, but when he played with the Orioles, they averaged 3 games above .500. When you look at his post-season numbers, it's more clear why Mussina is not a Hall of Famer. He can't win when it counts, the post-season. He's two games over .500 in the post season and faired the same no matter which team he played for.



He played in an era where 250 wins weren't as important a milestone as 300 wins were. He played in an era where performance enhancers ran rampant. I have been saying for a long while that players need to prove they were clean since most are hiding behind the MLBPA and not speaking up about what went on. Especially when you play on teams that had so many PROVEN users, it's not hard to speculate that Mussina could have pitched 200 innings per year due to a little "boost."



When Mussina left the Orioles they sucked bad, but before that they were a decent team. He never had Ace numbers and had an excellent closing staff at New York. This one, to me, is a no brainer, and I live in Williamsport, PA.

Answer 3

I doubt it. His contemporaries incorporate Maddux, Clemens, Johnson, Martinez, and Glavine, and that they make for an extremely complicated peer group from which to stand out. Moose and Schilling are the 6th and seventh (the two order) ultimate pitchers of their era, and 6th or seventh ultimate isn't probable what the hall needs to nicely known. he's had 3, consistent with probability 5 super seasons, and extremely some mediocrity. And, something that doesn't complication me yet upsets extremely some the voters, he has by no capacity gained 20 video games in a season (although he in all probability could have in 1994 & 'ninety 5 if the seasons hadn't been shortened). The writers are having a demanding time electing Blyleven, who (a) did gained 20 video games as quickly as, (b) had nicely over 3000 strikeouts (third all-time while he retired), and (c) replaced right into a member of two champion communities. Moose has 0 of those 3 creds, fewer occupation wins, and a decidedly lackluster exhibiting interior the postseason (an unofficial Crime among the balloting writers -- postseason overall performance does not particularly influence gamers' candidacies, yet loss of postseason overall performance does influence Yankee applicants). Mussina additionally by no capacity gained a Cy youthful Award -- ultimate end replaced into 2d in 1999 -- and on a similar time as that's no longer so undesirable a topic, it easily does not help his reason. yet, returned, check out his peer group -- the 5 adult adult males named interior the 1st line account for 21 CYAs, very nearly hogging it in the process Mussina's occupation. it particularly is a shorthand technique, in spite of the shown fact that it does point out who replaced right into a shrink below the others. No, i does no longer vote for him.

Answer 4

Probably not. However, if he were to pitch another 2 years and give himself a chance to get 300 wins & 3,000 strikes out he'd have a better chance. It's also like saying would Fred McGriff make it if he had 500 home runs? Or would Harold Baines make it if he had 134 more hits? I don't think 500 home runs is an automatic anymore, but 300 wins, 3 thousand strike out and 3,000 hits are a given to get you in though. He also doesn't have a World Series ring unlike many of the other Yankee great pitchers like Clemens, Pettite & Cone.

Answer 5

I say yes. He won 270 and has a great win %. People make a big deal about him not winning 20 games in a season until this year, or not winning a Cy Young, but his numbers should put him in the Hall....maybe not the first ballot, but he'll get in.



His win vs. loss numbers are very impressive.



Edit: I agree with cradar72. Bert Blyleven shoulda been in years ago.

Answer 6

Mussina deserves more than mere cursory consideration, but I don't have time right now for deeper and more detailed review.



My snap judgement is No, he's not, and I have a reason for this. It's not a particularly good reason, but when it comes to the Hall, erring on the conservative side is not a bad thing.



Mussina is the seventh or eighth best pitcher of his era. He clearly falls behind Clemens (save it), Maddux, Johnson, Glavine, Martinez, and probably Smoltz, and is par with Schilling. And I don't see the Hall as needing to honor the seventh-best pitcher of his time.



I'm willing to be convinced otherwise and, as I wrote, Moose deserves a fuller consideration as a candidate. But in quick, I wouldn't support him today.

Answer 7

Im a die hard yankee fan i think he has to. He was always a consistant pitcher and a go to guy. So yes moose is goin to the hall of fame

Answer 8

I think he will. I don't think he will get in on the first ballot, but second or third he's a sure in.



I think the only question is that what team will he go in as, Yankees or Orioles...

Answer 9

Hall of Good, yes. Hall of Fame? He falls short.



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Answer 10

I think he should . His winning % is really good . He should keep playing and try to reach 300 wins considering it will soon be a thing of the past .

Answer 11

I say yes! (hehe i'm a big moose fan)



He's done well throughout his career and i certainly think he deserves it!

Okay he hasn't gotten a Cy Young but i think his overall numbers are good enough



i'm so sad :( he's one of my fav pitchers!! wahhh

Answer 12

No. He had high run support his whole career. If he played on the royals he'd be under .500 with an ERA over 4.00

Answer 13

Bert Blyleven goes in first.

Answer 14

Yes he'll be in thof sometime down the road.

Answer 15

In reality I don't consider him a Hall of Fame caliber pitcher.

Answer 16

I don't think he is, but Tim Kurkjian of ESPN said he will vote for him.

Answer 17

He did reitre, and he is a hall of famer.

Answer 18

Moose is one of my favorites, but I think its very boarderline. I think he'll be back.

Answer 19

borderline player

Answer 20

To be honest, not really.

Answer 21

No, he used steroids, MKAy